Modelling ReisezÃ¼ge: DB Epoche IIIb F-Zugen in 1/87 HO

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F 2 â€žHanseatâ€œ Hamburg-Altona (ab 17:14 Uhr) â€“ OsnabrÃ¼ck (- KÃ¶ln) mit 01 1060:
Picture sourced from Drehscheibe Post: Dampf vor 40 Jahren By 03 1008

These trains are based on prototype research and available models.
My research has been aided by contributions found in books and from knowledgeable members of the following Forums, to whom I offer my much appreciated Thanks!
http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/index.php
http://stummi.foren-city.de/?sid=b3ec2b388ffc80c75ba1ece5e20945a2
http://germanrail.8.forumer.com/

List of trains http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/db_f_zuege_verz.htm

Brief history (in English) of the F-Zug Netz http://www.dbtrains.com/en/trains/epochIII/F

The Network Sommer 1961 http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?17,4352985

Note: Alternative manufactures coaches (when available) can be used to give variation of coach numbers in model formations.

"Hanseat" F2 KÃ¶ln - Kiel (see picture above)
DB 01.10 (1963)
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Trix 23336 WR4u 39
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

And
Lima 149808 VT08 + Additional centre coach (1960)

"Rheinblitz" F8 (1962) Basel SBB - Dortmund
E10
Trix 23336 WR4u 39
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"1967 Train"
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Roco AR4uemgh-65 44745

"Rheingold" F10 (1960) Koln-Venlo section
DB BR 23
From Hoek van Holland:
Rivarossi A4Ã¼mg-54 4012 - HvH - MÃ¼nich
Trix WR4ug-39 23336 HvH - Basel Bad!!!!!!
Trix Pw4u-37 23337 Hvh - Basel SBB (Blue)
Rivarossi A4Ã¼mg-54 4012 - HvH - Chur
Rivarossi A4Ã¼mg-54 4012 - HvH - Milan

Composition from Basel
Rivarossi A4Ã¼mg-54 4012 - Chur - Basel SBB - Hoek van Holland
Trix WR4ug-39 23336- Basel SBB - Hoek van Holland
Trix Pw4u-37 23337 - Basel SBB - Hoek van Holland
Rivarossi A4Ã¼mg-54 4012 - Milan - Basel SBB - Hoek van Holland
Rivarossi A4Ã¼mg-54 4012 - Munich - KÃ¶ln - Hoek van Holland

1963 Formation
Roco 45801 Ap4uemgh/Lima 4003
Roco 45801 Ap4uemgh/lima 4003
Roco 45923 WR4uemgh ( Four coach set)/ Lima 4001
Roco 45923 AD4uemgh
Roco 45923 Ap4uemgh
Roco 45923 Av4uemgh
Roco 45800 Av4uemgh/Lima 4002

"Dompfeil" F13/F14
(Sommer-Winter 1958 )

Liliput VT06
(Sommer 1959-Winter 1961)

Lima VT08 Golden Series Train Pack
(Sommer 1961 onward)
V 200 with A4Ã¼mg/DSG Speisewagen .

"Sachenross" F15/ F16 Bonn - Hannover
(1959 Formation)
BR 01
Trix AB4u-35 From set 23420
Rivarossi A4umg-54
Rivarossi A4umg-54

"Germania" F17 Bonn - Hannover
V200
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Fleischmann WR4u 35 5633
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"Rheinpfeil" F 21/22 MÃ¼nchen - Dortmund (1962)
This formation was noted by Boppard, during a holiday on the Rhine, not enough of the new 1962 built coaches to go around all the services!
E10.1 blue
Rivarossi 4012 A4umg-54
Rivarossi 4012 A4umg-54
Roco 45800 Av4uemgh/Lima 4002
Trix WR4 ug39 233336
Rivarossi 4012 A4umg-54
Roco 45800 Av4uemgh/ Lima 4002
Rivarossi 4012 A4umg-54

1964 Train
Roco 45801 Ap4uemgh/Lima 4003
Roco 45801 Ap4uemgh/Lima 4003
Roco 45801 Ap4uemgh/Lima 4003
Rivarossi 4012 A4umg-54
Roco 45923 Av4uemgh ( Four coach set)/Lima 4001
Roco 45923 AD4uemgh
Roco 45923 WR4uemgh
Roco 45923 Ap4uemgh

"Schwabenpfeil" F 23/24 Stuttgart - Dortmund 1953-1970
Ade 3309 - AR4Ã¼mg-54 Halbspeisewagen - Wagen Nr. 11815 KÃ¶l -
Ade 330403 - A4Ã¼m-54 1.Kl. Wagen - Wagen Nr. 11970 Stg, 11986 Esn, 11983 Ffm
Hobbytrain H 43012, Release date Sept 2009
http://www.lemkecollection.de/img/productImages/kato/H43012_500.jpg
3 coach set
AR4umg-54
2 x A4umg-54
1966 formation
V200
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Roco AR4uemgh-65 44745
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"Handseat" F29 (1967) KÃ¶ln - Kiel
E10 Arrival at Osnabrucke
V200 to Hamburg
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Trix 23336 WR4u 39
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"Gambrinus" F34 MÃ¼nchen - Hamburg-Altona
DB 01.10
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Roco WR4u 28 45716
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

OR

V200
Rivarossi A4umg-54 4012
Rivarossi A4umg-54 4012
WR4uemgh-64 No model available at present
Rivarossi A4umg-54 4012
Rivarossi A4umg-54 4012

"Merkur" F32 (1967) Frankfurt - Hamburg-Altona
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Trix 23336 WR4u 39
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"Hans Sachs" F37/F38 MÃ¼nchen - Dortmund 1959-1961
MÃ¼nchen - Hagen 1962-1969
Roco ??????? VT 11.5 + 4 Coach pack (Eight unit train) 1966/67
1964/65 formation MÃ¤rklin 43929 Wagenset (shortened length coaches)
Or
DB 03.10 Bw Hagen (Hagen- Cologne)
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Trix 23336 WR4u 39
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

Additional information from Ronald Krug
F38 "Hans Sachs" runs in Winter 1962/1963, Summer 1963 and Winter 1963/1964 with steam loco class 03.10 (Bw/shed Hagen-Eckesey) between Hagen and KÃ¶ln (max. speed 120 km/h). The composition of the coaches in 1963, starting Hagen, exactly like 1964 (see above).
Loco between KÃ¶ln and Wiesbaden: E10.1, Wiesbaden-Frankfurt(M): E41, Frankfurt to NÃ¼rnberg E18 and NÃ¼rnberg-MÃ¼nchen also E18.

In May 1964, Hagen - KÃ¶ln was electrified and steam was finished.

Very interesting is F 37: It runs only Winter 1962/1963 with steam loco 03.10, other years Diesel V200. The formation of the coaches: Opposite of F38, but from Frankfurt via KÃ¶ln to Hagen at the end of the traincomposition a blue baggage coach "DÃ¼se", built in 1939. This type runs til 1962 with F 9/10 "Rheingold. On Monday, the "DÃ¼se" took D 84 via Siegen back to Frankfurt(M). Tuesday to Sunday the DÃ¼se runs back with Express/Post-train to Frankfurt(M).

"Roland" F 43/44 Basel SBB - Bremen
(1957-1962)
Lima VT08 Golden Series train pack (Could load up to 6 coaches).
(1963-onward)
V200
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Ade AR4Ã¼mg-54 3309
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

Schauinsland F45/F46 Frankfurt - Basel SBB 1953-1963
Lima 149808 VT 08

"Konsul" F47/48 (1963) Mannheim-Frankfurt
DB 01
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"Komet" F 49/50 (1957-59) Hmb-Altona - ZÃ¼rich
V200

Ade 3309 - AR4Ã¼mg-54 Halbspeisewagen/ Liliput 383691 WR4ue 37

Liliput L22084 WL4ue Schlafwagen,( 1941 type rebuilt to WLA )

Liliput L22084 WL4ue Schlafwagen,( 1941 type rebuilt to WLA )

F-Zug (unnamed Train) Komet? Seen Hamburg 05/1959
V200
Hobbytrain A4umg-54 From set number H 43012 http://www.lemkecollection.de/img/productImages/kato/H43012_500.jpg
Hobbytrain AR4umg-54 Halbspeisewagen From set number H 43012
Liliput L22084 WL4ue Schlafwagen,( 1941 type rebuilt to WLA )
Roco r???? DSG WLABm 26.4m Model http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/ro_wlab4m_480.jpg
Roco r???? DSG WLABm 26.4m Model
Heris 11032 Autotransportwagen ex MC 4i-44*
Heris 11032 Autotransportwagen ex MC 4i-44*
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/11032.jpg
* Conveyed on Sunday/Monday and Thursday/Friday

"Domspatz" F53/54 Regensburg - Hamburg-Altona
http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/?action=showpic&num=3&search=F-Zug
Ade 200401 coach set
1 x 3309 - AR4Ã¼mg-54 Halbspeisewagen - Wagen Nr. 11877 Hmb
3 x 330403 - A4Ã¼m-54 1.Kl. Wagen - Wagen Nr. 11920, 11928, 11929 jew. Hmb

"Blauer Enzian" F56
Brief history in German http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/blauerenzian.htm
Lima 149788 Wagenset (five coaches) Train taken out of service in 1957 due to complaints of rough ride, held in reserve until 1959.
1958 Compostion
V200
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
??????? A4ymg(Green) No model available at present
Trix WR4u 39 23336
Rivarossi A4umg 4012
Rivarossi A4umg 4012

"Hamburg-London-ExpreÃŸ" FT 72 (1957) Hoek van Holland - Hamburg-Altona
Lima 149808 VT08.5

"Sassnitz Express" FD 129/FD 130 (1958) Munchen-Sassnitz Hafen
Fleischmann B4u 578301 DR
Roco AB 45345 DR
Liliput WR L382702 Mitropa
Liliput WLAB L382802 Mitropa
Fleischmann AB 5797 DR
Liliput B L384302 DR
Piko Pw 53171 DR

Summer timetable from 1. June to 27. September 1958
FD 129
Time table plan 1 Probstzella - Saalfeld - Jena - Naumburg - Halle (S) / Leipzig - Berlin :

MÃ¼nchen Hbf ab 11.10
Berlin Zoologischer Garten an 22.09
Berlin FriedrichstraÃŸe an 22.24
Berlin Ostbahnhof an 22.36

Time table plan 121 Berlin - ( Neubrandenburg ) - Stralsund - SaÃŸnitz - Trelleborg :

Berlin FriedrichstraÃŸe ab 22.27
Berlin Ostbahnhof ab 23.11, weiter ohne Halt
SaÃŸnitz Hafen an 3.52
SaÃŸnitz Hafen ab 4.02 ( mit FÃ¤hre )
Trelleborg FÃ¤hre an 8.00

Return service Time table plan
FD 130

Trelleborg FÃ¤hre ab 21.15
SaÃŸnitz Hafen an 0.55
SaÃŸnitz Hafen ab 1.41
Berlin Ostbahnhof an 6.29

Zug fÃ¤hrt 1. VI. - 30. VIII.
only international traffic, Reserved seat only service.

Time table plan 1 Berlin - Halle - Leipzig - Naumburg - Jena - Saalfeld - Probstzella :

Berlin Ostbahnhof ab 7.04
Berlin Zoologischer Garten ab 7.25
MÃ¼nchen Hbf an 18.25

Steam hauled F-Zug on the DB had started to become rare by the 1960â€™s.
The summer of 1960 saw F9/F10 â€œRheingoldâ€ with DB BR 23 haulage north of Cologne to Venlo, F3/F4 â€œMerkur" with a DB BR 01 as train loco between Frankfurt M and Wiesbaden.
1961/62, saw the continued use of the DB BR 23 on the" Rheingold", north of Cologne.
Winter 1962-1963 F50 "Komet" between Kassel and Frankfurt (M) (BR 10).
1963, F 38 "Hans Sachsâ€ Between Hagen - Cologne (BR03.10) and F 47/48 "Konsul" between Mannheim and Frankfurt M (BR 01) were Steam hauled.
1964/65, only the F 43/44 "Roland" between Frankfurt M) and Kassel with an Oil fired BR 01.10.
The last F-Zug with steam traction was in the winter of 1966 , F 3/4 " Merkur" at weekends with an oil fired BR 01.10 between OsnabrÃ¼ck and Hamburg Altona.

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Modelling ReisezÃ¼ge: DB Epoche IIIa F-Zugen in 1/87 HO http://germanrail.8.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=3358