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David Ingram-Seal
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Fotograf Hollnagel erklomm eine Dampframme, um dieses Foto vom erhöhten Standpunkt auf die Lombardsbrücke anzufertigen. Eine Altonaer 03 läuft mit F 1 "Hanseat" dem Hamburger Hbf entgegen. (02.07.1952) Foto: Walter Hollnagel
Picture sourced from Bildarchiv der Eisenbahnstiftung at http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/?action=galery
Have found some interesting Fzug Formations,
List of trains http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/db_f_zuege_verz.htm
Brief history (in English) of the F-Zug Netz http://www.dbtrains.com/en/trains/epochIII/F
Brief history(in German) http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/db_f_zuege.htm
May 1956 F14 "Dompfeil" AB4ü-31, WR4üe-39 Nr. 1223 AB4ü-31, AB4ümg-53. Possible BR 05 Scheduled.
May 1955 F20 "Glückauf" mit AB4ü-28, WR4üe-39 AB4ü-28.Neubaukessel DB BR 03.10 scheduled service.
My research has been aided by contributions found in books and from knowledgeable members of the following Forums, to whom I offer my much appreciated Thanks!
http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/index.php
http://stummi.foren-city.de/?sid=b3ec2b388ffc80c75ba1ece5e20945a2
http://germanrail.8.forumer.com/
The trains shown below are based on this information, some models suggested are no longer available.
Locomotive hauled F-Züge Epoche IIIa
"Hanseat" F1 (1952) Köln - Hamburg-Altona (See above photograph)
DB BR 03 Wagner/ BR 05 (1955)
Liliput L384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput L382701 Red DSG Speisewagen
Liliput L384411 Sitzwagen
"Dompfeil" F14 Köln - Hannover
Brief history in German http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/dompfeil.htm
BR 05 Bw Hamm
Liliput L384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384411 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384511 Halbspeisewagen
"Domspatz" F53/54 Passau - Hamburg-Altona
Trix 23347 Wagenset Three coaches with correct train boards.
or
Liliput L384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput L382701 Red DSG Speisewagen
Liliput L384411 Sitzwagen
  
or
Ade 200401 Four coach set ( 26.4 m coaches)
1 x 3309 - AR4ümg-54 Halbspeisewagen - Wagen Nr. 11877 Hmb
3 x 330403 - A4üm-54 1.Kl. Wagen - Wagen Nr. 11920, 11928, 11929 jew. Hmb
"Gambrinus" F33/34 München - Kiel
Fleischmann 4894 Limited Edition Set ( Loco and three coaches)
Fleischmann 5840 Sitzwagen
Fleischmann 5841 Red DSG Speisewagen
Fleischmann 5842 Sitzwagen mit Schlussbeleuchtung
or
Liliput 384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput 382701 Red DSG Speisewagen
Liliput 384211 Sitzwagen
or
Ade wagenset 200402 Four coach set ( 26.4 m coaches)
1 x 330901 - BR4ümg-54 Halbspeisewagen
3 x 330404 - AB4ümg-54 1./2.Kl. Wagen
Locomotive roster for the route, Sommerfahrplan 1955
F 33 "Gambrinus"
München - Treuchtlingen: E 17 des Bw Augsburg
Treuchtlingen - Frankfurt:BR 01 des Bw Treuchtlingen
Frankfurt - Dortmund:BR 03 des Bw Köln-Deutzerfeld
Dortmund - Hamburg-Altona:BR 03.10 des Bw Hamburg-Altona
Hamburg-Altona - Kiel:BR 03 des Bw Hamburg-Altona
F 34 "Gambrinus"
Kiel - Hamburg-Altona:BR 03 des Bw Hamburg-Altona
Hamburg-Altona - Frankfurt: V 200 des Bw Frankfurt(M)-Griesheim
Frankfurt - Treuchtlingen:BR 01 des Bw Treuchtlingen
Treuchtlingen - München: E 17 des Bw Augsburg
"Glückauf" F20 Wien West - Essen
Märklin 42281 Wagenset Four coaches with correct named train boards
or
Liliput 384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput 384411 Sitzwagen
Liliput 382701 Red DSG Speisewagen
Liliput 384411 Sitzwagen
"Blauer Enzian" F56
Brief history in German http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/blauerenzian.htm
Lima 149788 Wagenset (five coaches)
"Henschel-Wegmann Gegenzug"
Liliput L350031 Wagenset (five coaches) http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/l3500312ol.jpg
Liliput L383911 Gepäckwagen
Train taken out of service in 1957 due to complaints of rough ride, held in reserve until 1959.
Train V200 with A4umg-54 1.Kl coaches and pre-war DSG Speisewagen.
"Loreley-Express" F 163/164 Basel SBB - Hoek van Holland
Brief history in German http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/loreley.htm
Liliput 838 Wagenset (five coaches with Red DSG Speisewagen and a Gepäckwagen)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/1770009.jpg
or
Rivarossi 2971 CIWL Blue WR before June 1956
The following train was photographed at Koblenz-Lützel in 1954.
Double headed DB BR03.10 (leading/Pilot) with DB BR 03 attached to the train.
DB BR 03.10
DB BR 03
Jouef 5300 CIWL Speisewagen
Trix 23333 Sitzwagen
Trix 23333 Sitzwagen
Trix 23334 Sitzwagen
Trix 23337 Gepäckwagen
"Merkur"F3/ F4 Stuttgart - Hamburg-Altona
Märklin 43290 Wagenset Three coaches named train boards
or
Liliput 384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput 384411 Sitzwagen
Liliput 382701 Red DSG Speisewagen
In 1953 the train was hauled by a DB BR05 from Hamburg Altona-over Koln-Frankfurt (M). Dortmund DB BR 03.10 (1955)
Zugbildung 1954: AB4ü-30, WR4üe-39, AB4ü-29,BR 01 (Stuttgart-Heidelberg with BR39!, Heidelberg - Frankfurt with BR 18.5)
F 39/40 "Mozart" Strasbourg - Salzburg (1954-1957)
E 18 17,
Liliput L384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384511 Halbspeisewagen
F29/30 "Münchener Kindl" Frankfurt-München (1953-59)
Liliput/Bachmann L350051 Set
Comprising of 4 blue F-Zug-Wagen 1./2. Kl. der Bauart 28 with the numbers:
11365 Ffm, 11367 Ffm, 11418 Ffm, 11515 Ffm and a Red DSG-Speisewagen Nr. 1230 Bauart 28.
"Rheingold" F10 Roma - Hoek van Holland
http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/?action=showpic&num=9&search=Rheingold
http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/?action=showpic&num=15&search=Rheingold
Liliput 833 (1952 Train) Boxed Wagenset http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/BgniUyQB2kKGrHqQOKkQErzJ15PbrBLF-1.jpg
Or
Trix 23333 Sitzwagen
Trix 23334 Sitzwagen
Trix 23335 Sitzwagen
Trix 23336 Speisewagen
Trix 23337 Gepäckwagen
or
Rivarossi 2971 CIWL Blue WR before June 1956
From the Sommer timetable 1956 the train used the new A4umg 26.4m stock, but still used the pre-war DSG Speisewagen and Gepäckwagen.
Ruhr-Expreß F ? (Sommer 1956) Köln nach Den Haag
01 068 From Koln
Seven Blue Schürzenwagen ?
"Sachenross" F15/ F16 Bonn - Hannover
BR 05.001/BR 01.10
Liliput L384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384511 Halbspeisewagen
Liliput L384411 Sitzwagen
OR
BR 05
Roco 45360 A4u23 Sitzwagen (Hechtwagen).
Liliput L384411 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384511 Halbspeisewagen
Liliput L384411 Sitzwagen
OR
BR 01
Trix AB4u035 from wagenset T23420
Hobbytrain ARumg-54 from set H43012
Hobbytrain A4umg-54 from set H43012
BR 01 1064, Bw Hagen-Eck., Bielefeld, 9.6.1955, „F 15 Sachsenross“ Köln – Hannover. Der 1. Wagen ist ein AB4ü-35 mit zugeklappter 1.Klasse-Ziffer, der 2. höchstwahrscheinlich ein zum BR umgebauter Wagen, erkennbar am Speiseraum-Schild unter den Fenstern.
Picture sourced Drehscheibe post: Dampf zwischen Hamm und Bielefeld 1955 und 1956, by railroadwilli
"Senator" F4 1955 Frankfurt - Hamburg-Altona
http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/?action=showpic&num=2&search=Senator
V200
Trix 23333 Sitzwagen
Liliput L384511 Halbspeisewagen
Trix 23334 Sitzwagen
Trix 23335 Sitzwagen
F 129/130 Saarbrücken-Koblenz (Only ran Sommerfahrplan 1956).
DB BR23 Bw Koblenz Mosel
Marklin 43202 Aue 310 Green livery?
Marklin 43202 Aue 310 Green livery?
First class only and no Dining Car facilities
F-Zug (Train name unknown)
DB 03 Wagner
Liliput 384211 Sitzwagen
Liliput 384411 Sitzwagen
Liliput 382701 Red DSG Speisewagen
Liliput 384411 Sitzwagen
F-Zug Set (Train name unknown)
Liliput L35051 Wagenset Five coaches
Liliput 844 Wagenset Five coaches http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/1771023.jpg
Liliput 383101 Sitzwagen 1. & 2. Klasse (Schürzenwagen) blau
Liliput 383301 Sitzwagen 3. Klasse (Schürzenwagen) blau
Liliput 383501 Sitzwagen 1./2./3. Klasse (Schürzenwagen) blau
Liliput 383701 Schlafwagen DSG (Schürzenwagen) rot
Note: Deutsches Bundesbahn on coach sides in full script, were for trains on international routes, the DB only was for use on internal trains.
Multiple Unit Trains
FT17/18 "Germania" Bonn - Hannover (1959)
Liliput 112601 VTO6
FT43/44" Roland" (1953-1956) Basel SBB - Bremen
Brief history in German http://www.heinrich-hanke.de/eisenbahn/reisezuege/roland.htm
Lima 149808 VT08
FT45/46 "Schauinsland" (1953) Frankfurt-Basel
Lima 149808 VT08
FT 74/75 "Saphir" Oostende - Dortmund (1954-1956)
HR 2016 VT08.5 Train loaded to a three car unit
Lima 149820 VT08 http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/600_Bild1148052.jpg
Both loco and driving trailer will need to be modified to the classic grey V and have the pre Keks DB on the nose on the units, also train name will need blanking over on the centre coach!
Lima 149808 VT08 (just needs the keks changing to DB letters)
http://www.vt08.de/vt08frankfurt2.jpg
FT 77/78 'Helvetia-Expreß' (1953) Zürich - Frankfurt (M)
1954-1956 Zürich - Hamburg-Altona (from 1957 Classifed TEE 77/78)
Lima 149820 VT08
HR 2016 VT08.5 http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff235/disrubahn/600_Hornbyvt08.jpg
FT 127/128 "Rhein-Isar-Blitz" (1953/54) Stuttgart-Frankfurt
Liliput 126 04 VT06
FT 168/185 "Ruhr-Paris" Dortmund - Paris-Nord (1954-1956)
HR 2016 VT08.5 Train loaded to a four car unit
Both loco and driving trailer will need to be modified to the classic grey V and have the pre Keks DB on the nose on the units, also train name will need blanking over on the centre coach!
Lima 149808 VT08 + Additional centre coach (just needs the keks changing to DB letters)
http://www.vt08.de/vt08frankfurt2.jpg
FT 231/232 "Montan-Expreß" (1954) Frankfurt - Luxembourg
Marklin 37772 (3 rail) VT04
Kato 301500 VT04 (2 rail)
Modelling Reisezüge: DB Epoche IIIb F-Zugen in 1/87 HO
http://germanrail.8.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=20304#20304
Also see:
http://germanrail.8.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=3293
If Epoche IIIa rings your bell, suggestions on what coaches to use are also shown here http://stummi.foren-city.de/topic,17177,-f-zuege-schnellzuege-und-personennahverkehr-in-epoche-iiia.html
If you find that I have got a train wrong, please let me know by PM. |
Last edited by David Ingram-Seal on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:36 pm; edited 8 times in total |
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