Weinert Bw KrÃ¤ne

Member Joined: 24 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Beverly,MA

Hi all,
I built this a long time ago,the Weinert 3389/3388.(Beck&Henkel AG Kassel)Great kit,the thing that -bothered- me was how it was powered?It's not self-propelled/steam.I'd might wont to motorize it,guesses? Wink

Danke/thanks,Dr Dirt

Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 142

Hello Kevin,

normally these cranes ere selfpropelled, either by steam, but more often by electric power.
These cranes were not only used to fill coal to the tenders of locomotives put also to empty ash pits, to move sand etc. So the crane had to move and could not wait for a shunter to be pushed.

Martin

Member Joined: 24 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Beverly,MA

Hi Martin,all,

Martin Silz wrote:

Hello Kevin,

normally these cranes ere selfpropelled, either by steam, but more often by electric power.
These cranes were not only used to fill coal to the tenders of locomotives put also to empty ash pits, to move sand etc. So the crane had to move and could not wait for a shunter to be pushed.Martin

Thank you! I was just wondering if I could motorize/make it function,or will I live long enough! Very Happy

If I use this Krane in a small Bw,it would replace some structures,...

Dr D

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:02 pm

Weinert 3388/89 is definitely not a small Bw crane, 3390/91 on page 87 of the online catalogue might be more suitable? I remember cranes, such as these, trailing their power leads which were wound on great drums.

Maybe a Fuchs crane with a coal grab- Weinert offer one 4347 (56Eu) as does Kibri 11281 (about 13Eu with coal grab) as these were extensively used in smaller Bw's.

Member Joined: 24 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Beverly,MA

Hi Tim,all,

Thanks!Just exploring my options,...so these other smaller Krane's did more than load coal?

Dr D

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:09 pm

Nice isn't it?

Member Joined: 24 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Beverly,MA

Hi Tim,all,

Kibri?Weinert? Wink

But wouldn't the Weinert KrÃ¤ne offer even more shunting possibilities Confused

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Thanks,Dr D

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:16 pm

Shunting-It just rolls to and fro. Plus you have the nausea of organising a drive mechanism for something not designed to be driven.

The blue crane is a Fuchs made by Kibri.

Member Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Posts: 97

A Coal Hopper similar to Auhagen 11416 being loaded by A Beck&Henkel type Crane, is shown in the photo on the following page.

http://www.bofiscal.com/html/body_33_001-vorbild.html

Memory serves: Eisenbahn Journal published an article of adapting a Marklin operational crane with the Weinert Crane.

One possible way to shunt the crane would be to use a PMT Modellbau Arbeitswagen 33101 modified as a Coal Hopper or Schlag wagen

http://www.pmt-modelle.de/images-prod/33101_09.jpg

Member Joined: 24 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Beverly,MA

Hi Eddie,all,

Eddie Boeck wrote:

A Coal Hopper similar to Auhagen 11416 being loaded by A Beck&Henkel type Crane, is shown in the photo on the following page.

http://www.pmt-modelle.de/images-prod/33101_09.jpg

Memory serves: Eisenbahn Journal published an article of adapting a Marklin operational crane with the Weinert Crane.

One possible way to shunt the crane would be to use a PMT Modellbau Arbeitswagen 33101 modified as a Coal Hopper or Schlag wagen

Old B&K(?)
Any link to the E-J?Isn't the Marklin krane more for track and not Bw?

Now that is a brilliant idea! Smile

House the motor in the coal or sand and Schlag wagens,and a way we go! But what to do with the Weinert itself? Rotation and bucket functions?
Just idea generation folks,...

Thanks to all,Kevin

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:57 am

Kevin

Go here

http://www.mannis-n-bahn.de/

Go to the Galery page from the sidebar and select the Bahnbetriebswerk pictures, look for the DEMAG crane details on bilder 9/10. Supplier MKK is detailed at the bottom. This is N here.

Don't get too lost in Mannis world Shocked

Member Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Posts: 97

I made an error in the link above, it has been fixd. The photo shows a Crane on a track servicing a large coal hopper. A similar photo is shown in Miba Special 32.

The EJ reference from memory is wrong. I was remembering Miba Special 76. I have not read the article, but the photo shows the Maerklin Crane was backdated with a boom from a Weinert 3390/3391. From reviewing the Weinert Catalog - It appears the 3388/3389 could be adapted to the Maerklin Crane. It is beyond my skill level.

It does not appear that the Maerklin Crane 46717 can shunt itself. Odd use of model technology for the crane if it can not move on the rails.

Maerklin is AC, thus addapting the controller to DCC would be difficult. Trix does not have the Crane, but they do have the 3 Piezo TurmTriebwagen 22210.

Member Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Posts: 97

If one is looking for a Operational Crane but not a rail mounted unit, Maschinenbau Leibelt provides the mechanism.

http://home.arcor.de/maschinenbau-leibelt/modellbau_index.html

Member Joined: 24 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Beverly,MA

Hi all,
Thanks! I was just generating ideas and as usual, you folks can through.
Again,maybe my ignorance of such things is why I ask,...

Thanks again.

Dr Dirt