Questions about Bavarian Branchlines and Ep2 Decals

Questions about Bavarian Branchlines and Ep2 Decals
Hello Everyone, I've recently started modelling the Epoch/Era II in N-gauge. I'd like to thank John Oxlade and the Deutche Reichsbahn Group, who's articles on modelling Bavarian Branchlines provided me with the impetus to try something different. However, I don't speak German and I wondered whether anybody could point me in the direction of obtaining suitable Locomotive and Goodswagon decals in N-gauge? Regards, Mark

Hello Mark, and welcome to the forum! I'm also N-gauger with predominantly DRG / DRB collection. For decals go to http://www.tl-modellbau.de Although german site, just look for N 1:160 on the left menu. Decals offered: Art.Nr.: 1943 Signs for road traffic pre and post 1934 Art.Nr.: 1942 Epoche II - Bahnhof und Bahnsteig Beschilderungen (Railway stations lettering) For locos and waggons/coaches ArtNr.: 1925 Deutsche Reichsbahn 1923-1945 - 1:160 ArtNr.: 1923 Wehrmacht , for military waggons and vehicles Cheers!

Many thanks for your help Nicholas! Tim, apologies for incorrectly referring the article on Bavarian Branchlines, I actually meant to say Dorset Reichbahns Group and got it wrong! Mark

Mark it's nothing really. Have you decided on the theme and appropriate rolling stock yet?

Hi Nicholas, I'm hoping to model either a branchline Haltepunkte or Halteselle (my preference would be for a Haltestelle) using a small circuit of Fleischmann track. I would like to use the Kibri kit of Rauenstein station, although I'm not sure if this is appropriate?

I currently have some DRG 4 wheel passenger stock and a class 70 tank locomotive. I have a fascination with tank engines, and this one really appealed to me, and it runs very well! The few goods wagons that I have were all bought second hand, 2 x open wagons and 1 x covered wagon, and are in DR (epoch III) livery, so I will repaint and have a go at weathering...the first time I have ever attempted to weather anything! The track plan is based on a minimum space British layout by Paul Lunn, in the Santona publications "Model Railway Planning and Design Handbook". It is a circular layout, with 2 sidings at the front and a passing loop which forms the hidden fiddle area at the rear. I hope to change the location of one or both of the sidings at the front, so that the track layout is more representative of German railway practice, all crammed into an area of about 60cm x 60cm. We'll see...I'm terrible for losing interest half way through a project, which is why I have tried to keep this project very small! Mark

Re: New member needs to find DRG decals
Hello Everyone, I've recently started modelling the Epoch/Era II in N-gauge. I'd like to thank John Oxlade and the Deutche Reichsbahn Group, who's articles on modelling Bavarian Branchlines provided me with the impetus to try something different. However, I don't speak German and I wondered whether anybody could point me in the direction of obtaining suitable Locomotive and Goodswagon decals in N-gauge? Regards, Mark hello Mark I would suggest design them by yourself. It´s not that hard to accomplish that with a pc and a good laser printer and the right howto / and paper. If you are interested, send me a pm , And I will support you with the fonts, scales, descriptions, etc. In my case, my modelrailway has the topic Sudetia 1944. You do not find suitable decals or other printouts for this specific local area for that timescale. So I decided to try it by my own. I improved very fast. The results now are the same or even like if I could buy them in a shop. And I reduced the decal costs alot ! Because when you need masses of one decal it´s actually cheaper to produce it in a larger quantity than buying small pieces in a shop. You are than able to create with the right font´s all wallwritings, station names, decals for locos and goods wagons and so on. To be honest, it took me more time to invest finding the special fonts for the DRB ( for free :-) ) than to design or to test decals or other printjobs. Greetings Martin

BR70 is a typical Bavarian loco and a really nice model (it's on my wish list for this year) :8) More info on the prototype: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayerische_Pt_2/3 (use Google translate service or similar) There is no need to buy Ep3 goods wagons, there is enough models especially on the 2nd hand market with original DRG lettering. (I know for one small manufacturer that makes decals for goods wagons too, I just have to dig-out link.) Most DRG coach and wagon models are made by Fleischmann and Trix, and there is also a nice collection from Arnold, mainly tank and beer wagons but other types may be found. Great source of information about models is (again German) http://www.spurweite-n.de/content/NDBSearch/NDBIndex.asp It's a on-line database with detailed descriptions, market prices etc. All models can be filtered by Epoch, Type, or owner (DRG) Cheers! EDIT: I agree with Martin. It's a simple job with a good water-slide decal paper and fairly good ink-jet. I mede a test-printout of the round "Adler" in black-yellow in 1200 dpi and it looks really nice when printed. BTW. Mark, check your PM.

Hi Mark, To get a flavour of typical german station track design have a look at this site http://lokalbahn-reminiszenzen.de/seitenindex.htm Cheers John

Many thanks to you all, for your all your help and advice. I definitely want to get hold of a BR 98 0-8-0 tank, but my wife is a little concerned with my expenditure at the moment, so I'll have to wait a while. The pointers with regards to trackplans and how to produce home made decals were also very useful. I clearly need to do more research, and not speaking German is a real hindrance! Happy modelling!

... I don't think that the BR98.4-5 0-6-2t is available in N but you might also wish to consider the BR98.7 0-4-4-0T... Actually, 98-507 was supposed to be produced back in 1997 by Railino under Cat.No. 1101B with the price for RTR model that makes head spinning even today. Other models mentioned by Tim are available from : Fleischmann (98.8, later model with drapes on windows runs better) Trix (98.3 Glaskasten, 98.7 Mallet "Zucker Susie") Some other Bavarian models may be interesting also, like BR 89.6-7 (Minitrix and Arnold) Anyway, Mark, have a nice time and as you said: happy modelling :wink:

Mark, For a good list of Locomotives have a look at this site http://www.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/ft/e2f_dlby.html Cheers John

BR 89.6-7 Heavy shunting loco for branchlines? Why not? BR 89.6 is former Bay. D II and 89.7-8 is former Bay. R 3/3 correct? With a small amount of modellers license, both may be used on a branch line, serving some industry, right? It is available as RTR model from Fleischmann, nice running and nice details. Main problem of us interested in the N-gauge and modelling Bavarian prototype is a relatively small amount of readily available fairly priced RTR models. Again, there is an old question: "Why every manufacturer produces large quantities of really rare prototypes and neglect some of those that were/are produced in large(er) quantities?" N-gauge: D XI / BR 98.4-5, 147 engines! - no mass production of that particular model (not available, Railino maybe made a handful of those) Famous 98.3 / Glaskasten Ptl 2/2 , 28 engines in total, 9 engines only in DRG time with countershaft but mass produced by Minitrix in different liveries and numbers. Prototype without countershaft , 16 samples and 13 were took over by DRG, but no mass produced model (only small series hand made, if you are lucky and rich enough) 98.3 as ML 2/2, 24 engines! - not available as a mass produced model etc. But, that is another story for another thread. On the other hand, such a small amount of Bavarian models can save your budget (if one is looking on the subject from the bright side :P ) :D EDIT: Nice list of K.Bay. models in Ep1 http://kbaystsb.blogspot.com/ A lot of , on the site listed models, were/are produced in DRG version.

You really made me intrigued with this possibility of non-typical lokalbahn/nebenbahn locomotives in the nebenbahn service. ;) Small evidence, just out of curiosity: Eisenbahn-Journal 2/1989 Page 16-23 Article: Nur Ein Nebenbahn, Die Lokalbahn Rosenheim-Frasdorf Als kleine Hilfe steht eine Bestandsübersicht des BW Rosenheim aus dem Jahre 1943 zur Verfügung. Außerdem liegen einige Angaben aus der Zeit nach 1950 vor. Im Sommer 1943 waren in Rosenheim 33 Tenderlokomotiven beheimatet, von denen sich die meisten für den Einsatz auf der Strecke nach Frasdorf eigneten. Dies waren: Baureihe 64 6 Lokomotiven Baureihe 70.0 12 Lokomotiven Baureihe 89.8 5 Lokomotiven Baureihe 94.5-17 5 Lokomotiven Baureihe 98.8 4 Lokomotiven Baureihe 98.72 1 Lokomotive Mehrere Fahrzeuge dieser Baureihen befanden sich auch nach dem Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs noch im Einsatz. So, everything is possible. I agree with you that in general perspective, it could be wrong to put such a loco in the nebenbahn service, but then again, evidence (at least from the EJ article) suggest that it is possible. It all depends on the specific case. :) --- Now, as title of this thread changed into "Questions about Bavarian Branchlines and Ep2 Decals" It would be nice if we could list some models of coaches serving on the nebenbahn lines as per bavarian prototype. First few are new edition Fleischmann: Pwi bay 07 - 8090 BCi bay 10 - 8091 Ci bay 10 - 8092 All three with KK and spoked wheels.

The BR70 was essentialy designed for suburban services as a supplement to the earlier DXI BR73 and not a nebenbahn locomtive, it only cascaded down to minor lines much later in its career. In 1956 http://h1336311.stratoserver.net/bg/?action=showpic&num=334&thema=512

According to Robert Zintl author of "Bavarian Branch Lines" the following are listed as regular branch line locomotives: D II (earlier type - not the shunter!): from 1893; only 4 built; used on the Spalt branch. Not Epoch II. D VI: 1880-1938; 19 left in service in 1924. D VII: 1880-1965; 64 left in service in 1924. D VIII: 1888-1945; 18 left in service in 1924. D X: 1890-? 9 produced; all based at Passau; 8 in service in 1924. D XI: 1895-1935; 147 built and all working in 1924; the classic Bavarian branch line engine BB II: 1899-1943; Mallett; 31 working in 1924; built for steep branch lines PtL 2/2 (Glass box): 1906-1963; 13 working in 1924 GtL 4/4: 1911-1970. Goods engine and hilly branch lines. 100 working in 1924. GtL 4/5: 1929-67;74 built. Goods engine. According to Zintl the following former main line tank engines were occasionally used on branch lines: D IX (Class 70.71). 1888-1932. 54 built. D XII (Class 73.0-1); Gone by 1937. 106 built. Pt 2/3 (Class 70.0) 1909-68; 91 built. Used e.g. on Ansbach-Leutershausen for 30 years from 1930; also from 1913 on Dachau-Altomünster alongside PtL 2/2 Yes I have seen records of other locos on Bavarian branch lines during Epoch 2, including the Classes 64 and 86 (wartime), the diesel railcar VT 760 (late 1930s) and amazingly the G3/4H (Class 54.15-17 - 1930s on Dachau-Altomünster), but like those above they were uncommon. I have never heard of the D II shunters being used routinely on branch lines. Different role. So it depends whether you want to model a 'typical' branch line in 'typical' Epoch II or a 'special' or just make it up as you go along. Note that Dachau-Altomünster was effectively a suburban line into Munich on flat terrain, hence the size of some of its motive power. Nicholas, I can't see the full context, but your table doesn't say all those engines were used on branch lines, just that they were the tank engines stationed at Rosenheim in 1943 and that the majority were suitable for use on the line to Frasdorf.

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