Hi Jurgen I am indebted to you for the Reihungsplan - I had previously thought that this format was a Zugbuildungsplan. I have looked at this with fascination but generally I am lost. Is there anyting available that would explain what the content means? Some items I can work out eg references to footnotes, coach classification, sections of the journey coaches were assigned, but what do the rows/columns of numbers and abbreviations mean? There seems to be a great deal of esoterical information here. I am intrigued by the 5th line down - would you be able (or someone) to explain what this line commencing with the electrical flash symbol means? Thank you for this - I can now understand your post of 16 August with this Reihungsplan. Thanks again Jurgen Andrew

Of course, you are correct, Andrew; this document came from my Zugbildungsplan and not my Reihungsplan. Sorry for any confusion. I'm not clear on all the data myself, but to my understanding, these are the meanings of the various columns, from left to right: 1 footnote key 2 coach classification 3 Ordnungs Nummer (File/index number?) 4 Routing 5 Next train number 6 Previous train number 7 Jurisdiction supplying the coach(es) 8 Reihungsplan number 9 Nr. des EWP (?) The lightning symbol indicates electric traction between Hamburg and Osnabrück, which may not have been the case in 1968, of course. Jurgen edit: can't tell my right from my left :oops:

Hi Jurgen many thanks for this Andrew

Andrew, Another shot for your collection. Seen after departing Osnabrucke,late 1960s. David

Thanks David A wonderful shot of a BR01 accelerating - keep 'em comming. The second coach does not appear to align with the others. What do you think this coach is? I now have my DB Pikes 2nd class and have ordered the NS 1st and 2nd class coaches. A little difficullty in tracking down the NS 1st/2nd class (no longer made by Roco). Regards PS - I wonder if I could find the shot location (25km from Osnabruck) on Google earth?

Andrew, Looking at the shape of the underframe on the second coach,I would think its a NS plan-D type. Good to see that you are sourcing your coaching stock. Is it Ebay for the Roco NS AB? I think the sign in the picture indicates 2km to Osnabruck,but I could be wrong :oops: Regards. David

Hi David I think you are right about the coach and also about the distance - you can see a few Osnabruck buildings in the background. I had a look on Google earth and I think I have identified the place where the photo was taken (and, believe it or not, I am pretty sure I could see the distance sign too). NE of Osnabruck there is a small lake where the road passes under the track at a slight angle, just as in the photo. This spot is about 2km from the station. I followed the line from Bad Bentheim to Osnabruck station which is split on two levels. The line the H.S.Express took, from Bad Bentheim, comes in from the NW at the lower level but the line to Bremen exiting NE is at the higher level. I really don't know what manouvres the H.S.Express did in changing tracks and making a scheduled stop, or vice versa. One would need to visit Google earth to follow/understand my query. Can anyone shed any light on this please? Andrew PS the track/sidings layout is pretty expansive. Must have been a hell of a sight in it's heyday. I can still remember lots of steam loco's when I passed thro as a young teenager but of course as a youngster I didn't appreciate it all - I was however 'Gobsmacked' at the sight of all those locos :shock: ......if only I had a time machine!

I have the answer, provided by Wim Hoekema, to my question above. The F191 headed by a BR 03 (with a T32 tender due to the smaller turntables in Holland) passes thro' the lower station and, after a further 1.7km, enters the 'Stahlwerks-Kurve' via a turnout. This portion of track brings the F191 to the upper level on the north side of the station. At the station the BR 03, now on the southern end of the train, is disconnected and replaced by an oil burning BR 01.10 but attaching to the northern end for the onward journey to Bremen - my thanks to Wim. Due to my limited experience of rail travel at that age, I had always thought trains did not change direction mid journey and so I can stll recall this unususl action today, many years on. Andrew

Andrew, Wims reply,answered a couple of questions I had,re the loco used from Holland and was a banking loco needed to assist the BR03 up to the high level station at Osnabruck. It looks as though a kurswagen (Bm) Osnabruck-Puttgarden would have been attached to the train by the BR 01.10,as shown in the winter timetable as supplied by Jurgen. David

Andrew, Two 1936 photos of BR03s with kurztender as described by Wim. As you can see that NS Full baggage van is in the formation,but every other coach are pre-war (Epoch II) types or possibly even earlier(Epoch I) examples. David

David - I'm amazed at where you find these photos. Again many thanks

Hi David Wim Hoekema says that as the Stahlwerk-kurve had a large radius (no doubt lessening the gradient), the BR 03 had sufficient power to pull the coaches up to the higher level. There was a 40km/h speed limit in place for the curve. Andrew

Andrew, I know its a little off thread,But could not resist this video of a DB 01.10 gathering speed. http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=v7tTiQ4y8xc&mode=related&search= David

A wonderful sight. In Germany this must be what they call 'the burning of Rome effect' - all that smoke!

Would anyone know to which station (from Osnabruck) the BR01.10 pulled the F191 circa 1965-68? I would assume as far as Puttgarden but as we all know assumption is the .......... If Hamburg was the end of the line for the BR 01.10 what loco continued the journey to Puttgarden?. Also what type of DSB loco pulled the train in Denmark from Rødby to Copenhagen? From what I know I believe the order of locos pulling the F191 was:- Hoek van Holland to Hengelo - NS loco 1100 series Hengelo to Osnabruck - DB loco BR03 Osnabruck to ??? - DB loco BR01.10 Rødby to Copenhagen - ??? loco Would anyone also know which section of the route the V200 diesel pulled the F191 in lieu of steam? I do not know the stations the V200 both commenced and ended its duties. Again I would assume from Hengelo but as we all know...... My thanks to all - Andrew