Correct set-up of a classic TEE train

Correct set-up of a classic TEE train
Hi to all, I have 5 TEE cars: barwagen, speisewagen, panaromawagen, 2 * passenger coaches (one with tail lights). All late 60's, early 70's. Question is: what is the correct set-up, which car should come after which? Also, would you recommend adding 2 or more cars - mind you that due to layout limitations i will have to go for the shortest set-up? All the best, Cem.

It depends which train you are trying to represent. Only two trains ran with the dome coach, the Rheingold and the Rheinpfeil. The Rheingold was pretty long, usually 11 or 12 coaches. When it ran with the dome, it didn't have a bar coach, since the bar was in the dome. The dome was coupled next to the dining car and they were near the middle of the train. This is the configuration for summer between Basel and Duisburg: 103(loco)+Apm+Apm+Avm+Avm+Avm+Avm+dome+diner+Apm+Avm+Avm Apm=open seating coach (Grossraumwagen) Avm=compartment coach The Rheinpfeil in the early 1970's ran with the dome right behind the loco, followed by the diner. It was about 9 coaches long. Later (after it became an IC) it lost its dome and never received a bar coach and the old Buckelspeisewagen was replaced with a WRmz, which was moved to the middle of the train. Jurgen

Hi Jurgen, Thanks for the answer. So, it looks like I'll take the Rheinpfeil; bar and the dome cars will take turns and one will be parked while one is running ... meaning that I will have to buy another passenger coach. Best regards, Cem.

Hi Cem, To expand on Jurgens reply. I have model examples of TEE formations on my website. These are made up from references in books,webpages and from personal observations of the real trains. David

. Hello, There are some other questions I'd like to ask. I'm new here so I apologise if I'm repeating previous posts. After reading up on the Rheingold and the Rheinpfeil I still need some clarification. Were there two of each trains daily - one in each direction ? Was the Rheinpfeil coloured red-beige from the beginning ? Did the Rheingold, at the time of the repainting, ever run with blue-beige and red-beige cars in the one train ? Or, might one blue set have crossed a red set in the middle of the journey ? Many thanks for any information. Pete Molloy. ( New member from Glasgow )

This is a little earlier than the time I'm studying, but I believe the Rheinpfeil domeliner was originally an F-zug, not a TEE, and painted in the Stahlblau like the Rheingold. In the later 1960's DB decided to make both trains TEE's and repainted them in red and beige. There were two complete trains of both the Rheingold and Rheinpfeil running each day, so each train would meet itself at some point on its journey. The two north or southbound trains were also scheduled to arrive in Duisburg at the same time so some coaches could be exchanged between them. As for complete red and complete blue sets meeting, I am highly doubtful. The repainting of the coaches would have been done rapidly, but complete trainsets would not have been done at the same time. I don't believe there were enough coaches to allow a whole train to be taken out of service at once for that. Rather, as coaches came in for maintenance, they would have been repainted, and the replacement coaches would have either been red or blue, at random. So I think for a short while the trains would have been a patchwork of both colours. Jurgen

I think the Rheingold got the Blue and cream coaches to start with and the Rheinpfeil sometime afterwards. The references I have show the odd blue and cream coaches to be the max of two in the formation, with the remainder(five) being the Blue Am 1st class coaches, the dining car looks to be a red DSG skirted coach. The train is still rated a Fzug. David

Hi David: Yes, that matches up with my understanding as well. The Rheinpfeil (and the Rheingold for that matter) existed as a "regular" F-Zug before the dome equiped train was built. The Rheingold got its new trainset in 1962 and the Rheinpfeil was similarly equiped in 1964 or 65. The photograph of the two blue and beige coaches you noted on the otherwise plain blue Rheinpfeil would have been taken in the couple years before Rheinpfeil got its dome train. Those two coaches would have been Kurswagen off the Rheingold. Though the idea was to make the trains a showpiece, the sets weren't as pure as some would like to imagine. Even in the later years there was often a plain blue Aüm on the Rheinpfeil, even into the TEE or IC era. Jurgen

Hi Cem,Pete. Sorry its a little late, but welcome to the forum. Keep the questions coming, there is normally someone with the knowledge to answer. All the best, David

Hi David, Many thanks for the welcome.... ... and Jurgen too, thanks for the information. It's really helpful - I'm beginning to understand the situation now. The Rheingold and Rheinpfeil definitely provide great modelling possibilities - colourful too ! Thanks again. Cheers for now. Pete.

Hi Cem, Have a look at www.dbtrains.com , there is some more information there about the TEE trains. Cheers John

Hi, Thank you for the warm welcome and valuable info. I have checked all the reference sites you have suggested - what an ocean of information! I'm at a very early stage of gathering info on train formations and rolling stock. So I will be asking many stupid questions :roll: I'm not sure if this is the place for this but here's what model tains are for me: - Bavarian locomotives and coaches (K.Bay.Sts.B): collection for the time being, plan to use them if I'll have space to build an extra layout for the era. - Klasse C, S3/6, Br 18 family: collection (more than half to be acquired) - Era III - IV: layout (eventually build a section from Swiss-German border) - Building non-existent locomotives - Collecting small, ugly, rare (or any combination of those :D ) prototypes - I use mainly Marklin stuff but have an open mind - prefer metal models. - I do not like Marklin C-track, use M right now, plans for K for my main layout (time unknown) - Use enamel paint, no airbrush and always varnish after weathering Well, that's me - pretty much. Best Regards, Cem.

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